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====== Alt.Seduction.Fast FAQ And Information 1/2 ======
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 12/18/2006
One of the first FAQs for ASF, dating back to 1994, can be found at
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.seduction.fast/browse_thread/thread/cb
1070b38474952b/1f8ddef64090b6f5?hl=en#1f8ddef64090b6f5
This FAQ is currently under ongoing changes. Please post a comment in the
thread for any changes, additions, or corrections you'd like to see. The
actual posting of the FAQ is currently maintained by Speeding, with input
from Now Im Confused and dracozna. All input is welcomed and open for
discussion. This document has been created to answer questions about
seduction related information and discussion. While some products,
services, or individuals might be named in this document, no endorcement
or sponsorship is meant or should be implied. This document contains six
parts formatted in two files.
File 1/2
I : Guidelines For Posting
II : History of ASF
III : Where To Start / What To Expect
File 2/2
IV : Common Acronyms
V : Phrases / Concepts
VI : Gurus, Methods, and Related Websites
I : Guidelines For Posting
The goals of this newsgroup are to discuss and improve the ideas and
methods used in social dynamics relating to other people and the
seduction of people, generally women of the opposite sex. Please make
sure that your post is related to the above goals of the newsgroup. ASF
deals with potentially mature subject matter and is not a place for
discussing the morality of seduction. Morality and lifestyle judgements
are generally not desired or welcomed. Nor are flames, insults, or
advertisements.
II : HISTORY OF ASF
#1: What is alt.seduction.fast?
#2: So, what is Alt.Seduction.Fast like today?
#3: Do you have to have any of Ross's products, or other products, to
participate?
#4: Can women participate in ASF?
#5: Are personals allowed in ASF?
#6: Will Ross or other gurus answer questions I ask?
#7: Is advertising allowed in ASF?
#8: Who is this Gordon person? Why not ignore him?
#9: What is this moderated ASF that I've heard about?
#10: Is a forum better than ASF?
This is the original Question #1 from the 1994 FAQ listed above....
1. What is alt.seduction.fast?
A discussion/ongoing exchange about the ideas, techniques and secrets of
Speed Seduction. Speed Seduction is the creation of Ross Jeffries, and it
is an outgrowth/special application of Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
Ross has developed methods that any man can use to attract the best
looking women, quickly and easily, using NLP language/persuasion patterns
specifically geared for seduction.
2. So, what is Alt.Seduction.Fast like today?
Alt.Seduction.Fast is still an unmoderated Usenet group that, ideally,
discusses methods that any man can use to attract high quality women. It
is commonly refered to as ASF and the term "The Community" is often a
reference to a somewhat underground society of men that aspire to become,
or already are, PUAs. The focus of ASF has moved from Ross Jeffries
product to a more open discussion of all commerical products and also of
seduction topics in general.
As of 11/16/2006, based on Google Groups, only two other groups exist on
Usenet specifically for seduction. Alt.Seduction is the root group and
Alt.Seduction.Outfoxing was a group created to discuss a competing
commerical product. ASF is listed as having "High" activity with 1689
subscribers, Alt.Seduction is listed as having low activity with 146
subscribers, and Alt.Seduction.Outfoxing is listed as having low activity
with 64 subscribers. Please note, there is *NO* moderated version of ASF
on Usenet. (see question #9)
The community has existed for quite some time, but the introduction of
the Internet has enabled previously taboo and less than open topics to
come to light. The seduction of men and women is no exception. The idea
that men can use certain scientifically documentable and reproducible
processes to help garner a higher than average success rate was first
garnered in books such as "The Lay Guide", "Foxhunting", and "Double Your
Dating". ASF was created to market, discuss, and improve a product called
Speed Seduction, which relies heavily on a new concept of Neuro-
Linguistic Programming. Ross and other seduction "gurus" became guests on
radio and TV talk shows about the controversial idea that women could be
"gamed".
With the introduction in 2005 of a book called "The Game", the idea of
seduction, which had been slowly gathering steam into mainstream, made a
breakthrough into true mainstream exposure. Neil Struass, the author, has
been a guest on many TV and radio shows. Since then, there have been
numerous magazine articles and even a TV show regardin seduction. The
business of seduction training went from being mostly an underground
movement into a multi-million dollar industry. Yet, the secrecy and
closed-mindedness of the seduction community is often still evident.
#3: Do you have to have any of Ross's products, or other products, to
participate?
No, but it helps to have at least some knowledge of the community. Anyone
with an open mind willing to share pickup/seduction secrets may
participate. There are numerous websites and products now available with
information.
#4: Can women participate in ASF?
Of course, provided they stay open-minded and are willing to discuss, not
flame. Seduction techniques can also be used by women to seduce whomever
they desire. Their input is also welcomed as an alternative point of
view. Though, there is a commonly held view that many women would
disagree as to the effectiveness of seduction material. Even while being
seduced by it. Women are very welcome here.
#5: Are personals allowed in ASF?
No. Please post personals in the appropiate alt.personals groups. If you
are looking for a wingmate, you can certainly ask here, but your odds of
getting a successful reply are low. There are many websites you can look
to for finding a wingmate. Two of the best sites for such endeavors might
be http://www.themysterymethod.com and P.A.I.R., located at
http://www.fastseduction.com/pair.shtml.
#6: Will Ross or other "gurus" answer questions I ask?
It's rare here, but it happens from time to time. There are plenty of
helpful... and not so helpful... posters willing to offer advice and
assistance. The true masters of seduction that kicked off the community
have largely moved on to more profitable ventures. So, you might get
answers, but free answers from a "guru" will be less than common. And,
keep in mind the shopper's law... caveat emptor.
#7: Is advertising allowed in ASF?
No. But since it is not a moderated group, there's no real enforcement
for this. Originally, the FAQ stated that ads could be submitted to Ross
Jeffries and he would decide how to assist in marketing. Ross has moved
on. You will find that some ads are very much unwelcomed. Other ads are
met with a warm reception. If you are here to sell something, you should
already realize that Usenet is a poor marketing choice. If you are here
to read... then you should again refer to caveat emptor.
#8: Who is this Gordon person? Why not ignore him?
This should perhaps be the new #1 question. Nearly every newcomer asks
it. The reply is nearly always the same. The truth is likely in the
middle. Yes, there is a person that regularly posts to ASF that has made
a HUGE number of extremely obnoxious posts. If you really wish to know
about these posts, just ask, and there will be plenty of replies about
the posting history of this person.
Ignoring him might, in fact, work. The common reply to this question is
that it does not. However, only one time in ASF history has there been an
actual concerted effort to ignore a poster. On 9/11/2006, there was a
request made to ignore a poster and only two posters replied to that
person on 9/11/2006. Whether it had an effect or not is perhaps
conjecture, though the poster's activity dropped on that day by well over
50%.
Perhaps the best answer for the question of ignoring a poster would be --
Do so if you desire, but do not bother with asking for others to do so
also.
#9: What is this moderated version of ASF that I've heard about?
mASF is not a moderated version of ASF, nor was it created to be such. A
detailed search of ASF posts shows that a website forum was created and
called mASF, but it was primarily created, as the posts back then stated,
to avoid having to answer repeated newcomer questions. While many will
state that it was created to avoid a particular poster, this claim is
highly dubious, as there is a long history of two posters that were/are
commonly considered disruptive to ASF. But, there is no record in the ASF
archives of any serious attempt to create a moderated ASF on Usenet.
Cost-free to use, mASF is a private forum on a private commerical
website, www.fastseduction.com. While it does contain a wealth of
seduction information, and many would claim it is the best location of
such information, it is a still a private forum operated on a private
commerical website as a for-profit business. There are many private
forums that contain seduction information.
#10: Is a forum better than ASF?
With any private service on a private website owned and operated as a
for-profit venture, you do not have the same freedoms that you have on
Usenet. On Usenet, your posts can not be deleted, censored, or altered,
once you have posted them. On a private server, your posts can be
deleted, censored, or altered with or without your permission. Usenet is
a free public service that is not owned by anyone and is highly unlikely
to ever cease to exist. Any privately owned website can be terminated at
any time and for any reason.
ASF is an unmoderated Usenet group. This means that anyone can post
anything they wish, within the limits of the law, and no one can do
anything other than complain about it. Like any unmoderated Usenet group,
there are flame wars, trolls, ads, vulgarity, and other behavior that
some people might not care to see. Anyone can post and anyone can read
the posts. Posts are nearly impossible to remove once made, due to the
nature of Usenet. Searching Usenet is rather limited, unless you use a
service that assists in such an endeavor. And while Usenet posts are
relatively permanent, the provider you use to access Usenet might not
store Usenet posts for nearly as long as other Usenet providers. But, you
can make a safe assumption your post will be preservered for posterity
somewhere.
On a private service, there may or may not be moderation. If there is
moderation, you may or may not have some input into the level of
moderation. But, ultimately, a private server has owners. People in
control. If the owners decide to shut down (or have to) then your posts
and any posts you enjoyed could easily be gone forever. Your posts can be
removed, moved, or even altered and this is completely at the whim of the
owners and moderators of the private forum. But, there is a much better
ratio of posts on-topic, while flames, ads, and other offensive behavior
is likely to be very low or nearly non-existant. If the forum has such a
capabilty, you might be able to perform very detailed searches on
postings. A forum is often organized into a much more readable format and
important topics and threads, if such is provided, can be made
"sticky"... meaning they are always at the top of the forum listing. Some
forums even provide the abilty to notify you via e-mail when a thread you
are interested in has a new posting entered on it.
So, the question of which is better is a personal preference, akin to
asking Mac versus PC. It depends on what you want.
III : Where To Start / What To Expect
The best place to start would be to read ASF postings. Read the FAQ and
get aquainted with the acronyms, phrases, terminology, and philosophies
of the community. Visiting the websites listed in Part 2 of this document
would also be a good investment of time. The newbie mission is commonly
the first suggested kickoff. Quite simply, your goal is to go out for
four weeks, four days each week, four hours each day, and talk to four
women per hour... without any concerns to picking the women up or even
what they look like. The goal is to simply get better at approaching and
talking with women. Often, this is followed with the eye contact mission,
in which you go out and practice making and keeping eye conact with women
(and even men) to see how important eye contact is and to develop a feel
for how to use EC to generate positive results.
Another helpful idea would be to start an analysis of what you want to
gain and what you expect or hope to achieve. An obvious first thought is
"I want to get laid." or "I want a woman". But be more specific for
yourself. Ask yourself what you are willing to do to achive your goals.
Ask yourself what you expect once you do. Ask what you plan to do once
you achieve this goal. Ask what you plan to do if you fail to achieve
your goal. Ask what your motivation for the goal is. It is you that needs
to determine what you expect from ASF and from improving your seduction
abilities. You that needs to determine what your level of success is.
You also need to decide how much you are willing to work to achieve your
goals. In time. In energy. In money. You need to decide what aspects of
yourself need to be improved.
But, what you should expect is that nothing will answer all your
questions. ASF is a guide to a better way of life. It's a guide to
improving your life.
--- End 1/2 ----
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 12/18/2006
One of the first FAQs for ASF, dating back to 1994, can be found at
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.seduction.fast/browse_thread/thread/cb
1070b38474952b/1f8ddef64090b6f5?hl=en#1f8ddef64090b6f5
This FAQ is currently under ongoing changes. Please post a comment in the
thread for any changes, additions, or corrections you'd like to see. The
actual posting of the FAQ is currently maintained by Speeding, with input
from Now Im Confused and dracozna. All input is welcomed and open for
discussion. This document has been created to answer questions about
seduction related information and discussion. While some products,
services, or individuals might be named in this document, no endorcement
or sponsorship is meant or should be implied. This document contains six
parts formatted in two files.
File 1/2
I : Guidelines For Posting
II : History of ASF
III : Where To Start / What To Expect
File 2/2
IV : Common Acronyms
V : Phrases / Concepts
VI : Gurus, Methods, and Related Websites
I : Guidelines For Posting
The goals of this newsgroup are to discuss and improve the ideas and
methods used in social dynamics relating to other people and the
seduction of people, generally women of the opposite sex. Please make
sure that your post is related to the above goals of the newsgroup. ASF
deals with potentially mature subject matter and is not a place for
discussing the morality of seduction. Morality and lifestyle judgements
are generally not desired or welcomed. Nor are flames, insults, or
advertisements.
II : HISTORY OF ASF
#1: What is alt.seduction.fast?
#2: So, what is Alt.Seduction.Fast like today?
#3: Do you have to have any of Ross's products, or other products, to
participate?
#4: Can women participate in ASF?
#5: Are personals allowed in ASF?
#6: Will Ross or other gurus answer questions I ask?
#7: Is advertising allowed in ASF?
#8: Who is this Gordon person? Why not ignore him?
#9: What is this moderated ASF that I've heard about?
#10: Is a forum better than ASF?
This is the original Question #1 from the 1994 FAQ listed above....
1. What is alt.seduction.fast?
A discussion/ongoing exchange about the ideas, techniques and secrets of
Speed Seduction. Speed Seduction is the creation of Ross Jeffries, and it
is an outgrowth/special application of Neuro-Linguistic Programming.
Ross has developed methods that any man can use to attract the best
looking women, quickly and easily, using NLP language/persuasion patterns
specifically geared for seduction.
2. So, what is Alt.Seduction.Fast like today?
Alt.Seduction.Fast is still an unmoderated Usenet group that, ideally,
discusses methods that any man can use to attract high quality women. It
is commonly refered to as ASF and the term "The Community" is often a
reference to a somewhat underground society of men that aspire to become,
or already are, PUAs. The focus of ASF has moved from Ross Jeffries
product to a more open discussion of all commerical products and also of
seduction topics in general.
As of 11/16/2006, based on Google Groups, only two other groups exist on
Usenet specifically for seduction. Alt.Seduction is the root group and
Alt.Seduction.Outfoxing was a group created to discuss a competing
commerical product. ASF is listed as having "High" activity with 1689
subscribers, Alt.Seduction is listed as having low activity with 146
subscribers, and Alt.Seduction.Outfoxing is listed as having low activity
with 64 subscribers. Please note, there is *NO* moderated version of ASF
on Usenet. (see question #9)
The community has existed for quite some time, but the introduction of
the Internet has enabled previously taboo and less than open topics to
come to light. The seduction of men and women is no exception. The idea
that men can use certain scientifically documentable and reproducible
processes to help garner a higher than average success rate was first
garnered in books such as "The Lay Guide", "Foxhunting", and "Double Your
Dating". ASF was created to market, discuss, and improve a product called
Speed Seduction, which relies heavily on a new concept of Neuro-
Linguistic Programming. Ross and other seduction "gurus" became guests on
radio and TV talk shows about the controversial idea that women could be
"gamed".
With the introduction in 2005 of a book called "The Game", the idea of
seduction, which had been slowly gathering steam into mainstream, made a
breakthrough into true mainstream exposure. Neil Struass, the author, has
been a guest on many TV and radio shows. Since then, there have been
numerous magazine articles and even a TV show regardin seduction. The
business of seduction training went from being mostly an underground
movement into a multi-million dollar industry. Yet, the secrecy and
closed-mindedness of the seduction community is often still evident.
#3: Do you have to have any of Ross's products, or other products, to
participate?
No, but it helps to have at least some knowledge of the community. Anyone
with an open mind willing to share pickup/seduction secrets may
participate. There are numerous websites and products now available with
information.
#4: Can women participate in ASF?
Of course, provided they stay open-minded and are willing to discuss, not
flame. Seduction techniques can also be used by women to seduce whomever
they desire. Their input is also welcomed as an alternative point of
view. Though, there is a commonly held view that many women would
disagree as to the effectiveness of seduction material. Even while being
seduced by it. Women are very welcome here.
#5: Are personals allowed in ASF?
No. Please post personals in the appropiate alt.personals groups. If you
are looking for a wingmate, you can certainly ask here, but your odds of
getting a successful reply are low. There are many websites you can look
to for finding a wingmate. Two of the best sites for such endeavors might
be http://www.themysterymethod.com and P.A.I.R., located at
http://www.fastseduction.com/pair.shtml.
#6: Will Ross or other "gurus" answer questions I ask?
It's rare here, but it happens from time to time. There are plenty of
helpful... and not so helpful... posters willing to offer advice and
assistance. The true masters of seduction that kicked off the community
have largely moved on to more profitable ventures. So, you might get
answers, but free answers from a "guru" will be less than common. And,
keep in mind the shopper's law... caveat emptor.
#7: Is advertising allowed in ASF?
No. But since it is not a moderated group, there's no real enforcement
for this. Originally, the FAQ stated that ads could be submitted to Ross
Jeffries and he would decide how to assist in marketing. Ross has moved
on. You will find that some ads are very much unwelcomed. Other ads are
met with a warm reception. If you are here to sell something, you should
already realize that Usenet is a poor marketing choice. If you are here
to read... then you should again refer to caveat emptor.
#8: Who is this Gordon person? Why not ignore him?
This should perhaps be the new #1 question. Nearly every newcomer asks
it. The reply is nearly always the same. The truth is likely in the
middle. Yes, there is a person that regularly posts to ASF that has made
a HUGE number of extremely obnoxious posts. If you really wish to know
about these posts, just ask, and there will be plenty of replies about
the posting history of this person.
Ignoring him might, in fact, work. The common reply to this question is
that it does not. However, only one time in ASF history has there been an
actual concerted effort to ignore a poster. On 9/11/2006, there was a
request made to ignore a poster and only two posters replied to that
person on 9/11/2006. Whether it had an effect or not is perhaps
conjecture, though the poster's activity dropped on that day by well over
50%.
Perhaps the best answer for the question of ignoring a poster would be --
Do so if you desire, but do not bother with asking for others to do so
also.
#9: What is this moderated version of ASF that I've heard about?
mASF is not a moderated version of ASF, nor was it created to be such. A
detailed search of ASF posts shows that a website forum was created and
called mASF, but it was primarily created, as the posts back then stated,
to avoid having to answer repeated newcomer questions. While many will
state that it was created to avoid a particular poster, this claim is
highly dubious, as there is a long history of two posters that were/are
commonly considered disruptive to ASF. But, there is no record in the ASF
archives of any serious attempt to create a moderated ASF on Usenet.
Cost-free to use, mASF is a private forum on a private commerical
website, www.fastseduction.com. While it does contain a wealth of
seduction information, and many would claim it is the best location of
such information, it is a still a private forum operated on a private
commerical website as a for-profit business. There are many private
forums that contain seduction information.
#10: Is a forum better than ASF?
With any private service on a private website owned and operated as a
for-profit venture, you do not have the same freedoms that you have on
Usenet. On Usenet, your posts can not be deleted, censored, or altered,
once you have posted them. On a private server, your posts can be
deleted, censored, or altered with or without your permission. Usenet is
a free public service that is not owned by anyone and is highly unlikely
to ever cease to exist. Any privately owned website can be terminated at
any time and for any reason.
ASF is an unmoderated Usenet group. This means that anyone can post
anything they wish, within the limits of the law, and no one can do
anything other than complain about it. Like any unmoderated Usenet group,
there are flame wars, trolls, ads, vulgarity, and other behavior that
some people might not care to see. Anyone can post and anyone can read
the posts. Posts are nearly impossible to remove once made, due to the
nature of Usenet. Searching Usenet is rather limited, unless you use a
service that assists in such an endeavor. And while Usenet posts are
relatively permanent, the provider you use to access Usenet might not
store Usenet posts for nearly as long as other Usenet providers. But, you
can make a safe assumption your post will be preservered for posterity
somewhere.
On a private service, there may or may not be moderation. If there is
moderation, you may or may not have some input into the level of
moderation. But, ultimately, a private server has owners. People in
control. If the owners decide to shut down (or have to) then your posts
and any posts you enjoyed could easily be gone forever. Your posts can be
removed, moved, or even altered and this is completely at the whim of the
owners and moderators of the private forum. But, there is a much better
ratio of posts on-topic, while flames, ads, and other offensive behavior
is likely to be very low or nearly non-existant. If the forum has such a
capabilty, you might be able to perform very detailed searches on
postings. A forum is often organized into a much more readable format and
important topics and threads, if such is provided, can be made
"sticky"... meaning they are always at the top of the forum listing. Some
forums even provide the abilty to notify you via e-mail when a thread you
are interested in has a new posting entered on it.
So, the question of which is better is a personal preference, akin to
asking Mac versus PC. It depends on what you want.
III : Where To Start / What To Expect
The best place to start would be to read ASF postings. Read the FAQ and
get aquainted with the acronyms, phrases, terminology, and philosophies
of the community. Visiting the websites listed in Part 2 of this document
would also be a good investment of time. The newbie mission is commonly
the first suggested kickoff. Quite simply, your goal is to go out for
four weeks, four days each week, four hours each day, and talk to four
women per hour... without any concerns to picking the women up or even
what they look like. The goal is to simply get better at approaching and
talking with women. Often, this is followed with the eye contact mission,
in which you go out and practice making and keeping eye conact with women
(and even men) to see how important eye contact is and to develop a feel
for how to use EC to generate positive results.
Another helpful idea would be to start an analysis of what you want to
gain and what you expect or hope to achieve. An obvious first thought is
"I want to get laid." or "I want a woman". But be more specific for
yourself. Ask yourself what you are willing to do to achive your goals.
Ask yourself what you expect once you do. Ask what you plan to do once
you achieve this goal. Ask what you plan to do if you fail to achieve
your goal. Ask what your motivation for the goal is. It is you that needs
to determine what you expect from ASF and from improving your seduction
abilities. You that needs to determine what your level of success is.
You also need to decide how much you are willing to work to achieve your
goals. In time. In energy. In money. You need to decide what aspects of
yourself need to be improved.
But, what you should expect is that nothing will answer all your
questions. ASF is a guide to a better way of life. It's a guide to
improving your life.
--- End 1/2 ----